Uncensored: Hamid Gul on “CIA and Terrorism”

Uncensored: Hamid Gul on The Alex Jones Show “CIA Ties to Terrorism”

December 10, 2008

Former Pakistani ISI chief Hamid Gul appeared on the Alex Jones Show and shared his contention that the 9/11 attack was an inside job, laying out details that were censored during a CNN interview on the same subject last weekend. Transcripts of the CNN and Alex Jones interviews are also available below. Please scroll down.

Incomplete trasnscript of Hamid Gul’s interviews on CNN and the Alex Jones Show

The Theory of Everything
December 10, 2008
Editor’s note: Infowars and Alex Jones would like to thank the blogger “The Theory of Everything” for compiling this transcript in short order.
ZAKARIA: General Gul, you know that the United States has given four names to the United Nations of ISI officers whom it would like to place on an international terrorist list. You are one of those four names.What’s your reaction to that.
GEN. HAMID GUL, FORMER PAKISTANI INTELLIGENCE CHIEF (via broadband): I think this is a frame-up, a total frame-up. I have – I have my own (ph) voice. And I raise. I have a position which I express freely, openly. I’m like an open book.This is preposterous. This is wrong. This is fallacious. And if my government does not …
ZAKARIA: What are the charges against you?
GUL: … XX me, they …
ZAKARIA: What are the charges against you?
GUL: Their charges are that I am helping the Taliban and al Qaeda. And what – this is so generalized. And particularly, there is the mention of Sarajo Din Nohani (ph), whom I have never seen in my life. I don’t know who he is. I knew his father, Jalal ud-Din Nohani (ph), way back when I was D.G. ISI. But that’s been a long time ago.I have nothing to do – I have no means to help them. But, of course, my position is that Americans have aggressed in Afghanistan. And whoever is resisting, the resistance there is justifiable.So, that is my position. I will maintain that position. If that becomes the basis of dubbing me as terrorist, then I would say, it’s all right.But other than that, to say that I’m practically involved in any kind of help – absolutely wrong. I am not that at all.
ZAKARIA: General Gul, when you read about these attacks in Mumbai, and you see – when you read about the attacks in Mumbai, this is a three-stage, amphibious assault in which the boats were commandeered, the captain and crew then killed.They maintained radio silence. They split up into pairs. They know their locations. They make a few false targets to draw the first responders there.This seems like a military operation.Isn’t it likely that there was some special forces or intelligence assistance given to these attackers?
GUL: Indeed. I think that this was a very sophisticated operation. There is no doubt about it. It has rocked the – and I have all my sympathies for India – they rock this huge country for 72 hours. And they really don’t know how to react and respond to this.But when you look at the full spectrum of possibilities, who could have done it, then one knows that Samjhauta Express was a similar case, in which Pakistan ISI was accused. But it turned out that it was the militant Hindus themselves who had killed 68 passengers in that train, and that it was an inside job.Now Colonel Srikant Purohit, who is a serving army officer, he has been caught in this particular case. And the whole thing has turned around.So, obviously, there is an inside job.
ZAKARIA: If it turns out, as the one surviving terrorist says, that these people were trained in Pakistan in four separate locations, do you think it would be retired ISI people? Who would be training these groups?
GUL: Not necessarily. It is a question of motivation only. If somebody is motivated, then it is – because what kind of weapons did they use? That’s very important. They used flashing (ph) calls (ph). They used the hand grenades. And this is – this doesn’t require a great deal of training. And, of course, these weapons are also available in the open market.If the evidence is there, then I am one of the people who would say, yes, India really has been done a great deal of wrong. We have said – and Pakistan government policy has been very clearly enunciated – that we will punish them. Bring the evidence, we’ll take them to task. But so far, no bodies have been shown, no faces have been shown. And this man has not also been brought before the cameras.I think the evidence has to be, because you cannot, on the basis of accusation alone, start taking actions which can unleash historical kind of changes. And this would be a watershed in the relationship between India and Pakistan, and we have to be very careful about it.
ZAKARIA: But are you confident that the ISI does not have links, formal or informal, with Lashkar-e-Taiba?
GUL: I have no linkages with them. But I do understand the character of an organization. It’s a highly disciplined organization, unlike the other organizations. Their political appointees can be infiltrated.In the ISI, it is only the uniformed personnel who come and serve for two to three years. And then they revert back to their parent services. So, they are bread-and-butter. Their career advancement, their promotion chances – they all lie with the three armed services, that is, navy, army and the air force.So, there is one organization, intelligence organization, which would remain absolutely on the line. That would be the ISI.Unless you say that, OK, the army is behind it, the Pakistan government’s policy is this. ISI cannot do a maverick job like this. It is unbelievable.
ZAKARIA: The president of Pakistan, Mr. Zardari, the day after the attacks, said that he would send the head of the ISI to India to cooperate. The next day it was revealed that, effectively, the army chief of staff had overruled him.Is that appropriate for the elected head of state to be overruled by the head of the army?
GUL: Well, I think it was a good thing that they withdrew their decision. And besides, sending the D.G. ISI is something totally – Indians should not have demanded this, and Pakistan should not have accepted to send him, because it was only an accusation at that time.And it was not a question of cooperation, it was a question of interrogating, summoning him. In fact, the word “summon” was used. And that was an affront to the national honor of Pakistan and that of the Pakistan armed forces.
ZAKARIA: Do you think we should be thinking of al Qaeda as a terrorist group? I know that there was a conference in January 2001, which you attended, at which you felt that bin Laden was better described as a religious warrior, and should not actually be thought of as a terrorist.
GUL: No. We said, unless the evidence is brought up against him, then he is not a terrorist. It’s wrong. 9/11’s full evidence has still not emerged. It is still shrouded in mystery.A lot of people have a lot of misgivings about that. And it’s not only me. I think a lot of people in America would be thinking the same way. There are scientists, there are scholars, who have written articles on it.So, I think to dub a man as terrorist – because I know, I heard him twice say on radio, or something like that, and I think it was Osama – not only that, but Mullah Omar also said that he did not believe that Osama had carried out that act. So, that is still a mystery, and it needs to be resolved. Americans have still to set up a proper commission, an inquiry commission, into this event. I think that’s very important. And I think President-designate Obama would do well to set up an inquiry commission into this.
ZAKARIA: What is your hunch as to who did – who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks?
GUL: Well, I have been on record, and I said it is the Zionists or (ph) the neocons. They have done it. It was an inside job.And they wanted to go on the world conquerors. They were looking upon it as an opportunity window, when the Muslim world was lying prostrate. Russia was nowhere in sight. China was still not an economic giant that is has turned out to be.And they thought that this was a good time to go and fill (ph) those strategic areas, which are still lying without any American presence. And, of course, to control the energy tap of the world.Presently, it is the Middle East, and in future it is going to be Central Asia. So, there are many, many XX. And, of course …
ZAKARIA: But you think …
GUL: … XX.
ZAKARIA: But you think who would be …
GUL: That’s what I also think, yes.
ZAKARIA: Who is at the heart of – who do you think was at the heart of plotting 9/11?
GUL: At the – it’s very difficult, really. I wouldn’t point my finger at it.But I think it was planned in America. And at least one knows that it was done in Germany, as far as the reports go.But I think the heart of planning was inside America, because the job was done there. But not a single person so far has been captured, caught, interrogated inside America, even though this entire episode took place there.
ZAKARIA: But you’ve said that the people behind it were the Zionists, neocon conspiracy. Do you mean by that American Jews? Do you mean Israel?
GUL: No Israel. I will not – because Jews are also divided into – not all Jews are bad. Of course, there are a lot of things common between Jews and Muslims.In fact, they are the closest to us religion-wise, because some of their scriptures are respected by us. Their prophets are our prophets. They have the injunctions in Torah are very much similar to injunctions in the Holy Quran. So, there are things which are very common.But there are those people who are very ambitious, who have a certain agenda of their own. And I think they have turned the world upside-down, because of those ambitions or their fears.So, fear and ambitions are two things which have come together as far as Zionists are concerned. And they are trying to drive the policies of America. And unfortunately, the American people are suffering because of that.
December 9, 2008: Alex Jones Interview
5-8 minutes – tragedy in Bombay and 9/11 inside jobs
“Well at the moment, we have to look at this as a great human tragedy that took place in Mumbai (Bombay). I sympathize with India, they’ve been rocked a bit badly. And the response is a bit nervous. They want to go to war with Pakistan. if Pakistan does not behave, or does not handle whatever they want from us. they’ve given a list of people. but I think there’s been a longer of Indians accusing Pakistan whenever something like this happens. and they always turn out to be wrong. of course Pakistan is willing to cooperate and I think that’s a good position that president alzwary has taken, that you provide the evidence, and we try them out, we will arrest them, we will put them through trial, and you can come and watch. let the international cameras come and see. there should be transparency, open trial, and if that doesn’t satisfy you, what else will? so this is a situation where we stand today, where there is an ominous threat from India and America seems to be quietly patting them on the back and asking Pakistan to do whatever India is demanding. this is an unfair position, because India is not like America, America demanded from Pakistan after 9/11 to cooperate anybody that Pakistan could lay their hands on. 700 or so people were caught in Pakistan they war sent to gonthrama bay, to bagram, and to gucanpar yale, and nothing came out, except Muhammad, is the only one who is being tried for that case, all others have been let off. to get innocent people like that, just because you accuse them and you don’t even provide the evidence, to pick them up and throw them in jail, this is not on, the human values that particularly democracy upholds and talks about. so I think Pakistan offer isn’t good enough and today Pakistan cracked down on some of the defunct organization and in fact these were banned in year 2000 and through immediately after 911 but there could be some maverick elements among them who I won’t rule out who could carry out on their own or in conjunction with some other elements some kind of atrocities which I will not rule out. “
10-14 minutes – 9/11 inside job
“Are you talking about 9/11? Well, I have my own reasons, you know, rodnolan was a senior reporter here. I think he was based in Islamabad at that time, and he came to me immediately after 911, and his version that I put out was given to Newsweek and unfortunately it was blocked, but it appeared on the internet on the site of Newsweek and you can see it, I think it’s dated 16 or 17th of 2001, and in that I had said the same thing, and I maintain my position. a. that 9/11 took place on American soil, not a single person was caught inside America, even though for doing such a job, I think a huge amount of logistic support is required in the area where such operation is carried out. secondly, the air traffic control, when they ordered 4 aircraft were giving some direction going from east to coast, to west coast where they were headed they started going in different direction. and it is quite amazing that for a l9ong period of time air traffic control did not report this. nor did the us. airforce act in time. if one were to calculate from the 1st flight that it took off from Logan, where the f-16 where it took off from Langley which is ciao headquarters, instead of one of the operational bases where many of them are available in that area. and then a single aircraft never takes off because we’re told wherever the aircraft is scrambled, it’s scrambled in twos. and that time that it took was enormous, it was 112 minutes, 112 minutes is a very long time in which to act. was the us air force sleeping and if so, which heads were rolled. 2nd it was a huge intelligence failure, and no heads have been rolled, nobody has been taken to task, not a single person has resigned for this . 3rdly, the act should have been rehashed, turned inside out, yet nothing has happened. and finally, how come this is a coincidence that 4 transponders did not work, and it is not possible, the direction is changed and it is not noted. 2ndly, the U.S. air force, has the ability, because in the past whenever a plane has been hijacked, within 7 minutes a plane is on the side of the aircraft, in this case, it did not happen. the us. alert system is so high and so sophisticated that if a missile was to take off from Moscow and head towards new York, it takes about 18 minutes, and the us. airforce and missile system is supposed to intercept it within 9 minutes, that means on the Atlantic or pacific it must stop that missile from coming in. the missile system is in place but it did not work and nobody tried to question this. lastly no inquiry has been held formally into the incident. unfortunately, so the whole world has been turned upside down, so many people have been killed American economy is going into a meltdown and everything has gone wrong with the world and yet no formal inquiry has been held by the us. gov.t , so I really don’t’ know there are so many question that hang in the balance. and then to top it all, they say that Amoud who took training with a light aircraft in the army for 6 months that he could have maneuvered a jumbo of 757 from a height of where it was traveling of 9,000 and it came within seconds to a height of 1,000 and then went straight into its target, this is not possible for a person who has been trained on a light aircraft to do this. and then there’s no mention of 2nd aircraft. so threes a number of things which remain unanswered whenever a jo8urnalist comes and visit me here and I ask them these question. that why haven’t you taken the answer about these things. they say that patriotic act comes in the way and we are not supposed to ask such question. “
16-18 minutes- why is the us./Israeli gov’ts seeking dominance
“Well I think that after the cold war when Reaganomics it was known as, it was known that inflation was very high and the domestic issues had to be addressed. but bill Clinton administration they amassed a lot of money and the American economy went booming and he left a lot of money and the hot war cold warriors, they came in and the found that the situation was ready and they had a lot of money and resources and they looked at the bankers of the world for which there was an opportunity/window , the Muslim world was lying prostrate, Russia was not picking up from its fallen position, china was not ready yet, therefore they looked at it as an opportunity to go and do the following, and in this , I’m a soldier, and I know that there has to be a single aim, but they have =mixed up the aims, and they have botched up everything. first they said that they would go into strategic areas, where there was no us presence before. threaten the western Asia and south Asia where there was no America physical presence. they had to keep the Chinese off from getting the middle east. they had to get their hands on the energy tap of the world which presently lies in the middle east, but in future it will be in central Asia, and so Afghanistan is the gateway into central Asia, and finally to suppress any resistance, particularly which could threaten the state of Israel. now that is where they , instead of fulfilling ht American objective, they started, pursuing the Israel objective and that is where they went wrong. you have to pick up a single aim. this is the first principle of war, and I don’t know why the generals and politicians of America could be so naive and ignorant that they could start maligning in and they could go into this war without wisdom, without particular preparation and without the American support behind them. because if they had gone to war and asked for support from the American people they would never have given them that support and this was the pretext that they created.”
21- 26 minutes – American/Israeli political manipulation, Bombay attacks false flag
“Well the motive is very simple. that America wants India to come aboard with them, especially in their war on terror, especially when they run out of troops in Afghanistan, the natal allies are pulling out, they are dragging their feet, they’re not prepared to fight there. but they want to make it an Indian cause, and they want nearly 150,000 troops in Afghanistan. that is one reason, where there is an American motive. there is an Israeli motive that Americans should not pull out of Afghanistan just because they are short of troops. so they must have more troops there. because if they go away without denuclearizing Pakistan, state of Israel will remain under perpetual danger, so they have an innate fear that Americans may lose heart and pull out of this region. they’re already going out of Iraq. and if they were to go o0ut of Afghanistan, this will be an unfinished agenda, and Israel would be at the losing end. so the neurons and Zionists together want to hatch a conspiracy so that Obama gets trapped into a situation where for next four years he’ll keep on sorting out this embroil. as far as the ability is concerned which is the other element, can you imagine that people traveling from Karachi in two rickety boards that they can travel all the way to Bombay and fight a battle immediate for seventy two hours, and there are just ten of them, and in each group there are two. this is impossible, they were carry8ing so much of munitions with them, and that munitions lasted. they were fighting the crack troops of India army for so long, and you know that in marina house ,the five babushka hospitals, they were killed by the Indian commandoes. they were not killed by these people. so why would the Indian commandoes kill them. and Israelis suppressed this info, it initially came out in Indian daily, but then it was suppressed. so if you go by the record of the Indian accusations against Pakistan in the past year in 2001 Dec 13 there was an attack on the Indiana locrsiba, and they blamed Pakistan and loscribans for that but it turned out that it was Indian Kashmir’s themselves. and because India is committing so many atrocities in Kashmir, therefore threes a good reason for them that they would carry out something like that. then again in 2006, there was the Sunjata express case in which 68 express passengers mostly Pakistani war killed, and this train was stopped at an obscure railway station in Haryana and then over locked and then the train was set on fire and then it was claimed that it was Pakistani leshperitibaa, and that they had done it because they wanted to derail the peace process. but now colonel proho, of citicon proho has caught in it, and there are other Indian officers his accomplices and he has a big network
, that took ardiac(explosive) from the orally depot, which is a military depot, so one could say that there is a deep penetration of the militant Hindu in the military and intelligence organization in India. and why would they do that? because they want to derail the peace process. and what Obama says is that he will mediate on Kashmir, and then as the Kashmir political movement is picking up movement, he said with this situation, he said he would send bill Clinton as the political mediator. obviously the militants of India do not want t his to happen and they had to preempt it.
so Pakistan doesn’t gain, the Pakistani ISI does gain anything from it. net benefit either the militant Hindu on the next election….(interrupted for break)”
26-29 minutes – aggressive policy us. and India towards Pakistan prelude to central Asian dominance
“Yes indeed, I think the Americans and the Indians have both been very responsible about it because Condoleezza Rice’s statements in America in India when she went and visited Delhi, they were very threatening towards Pakistan, and it was sort of a dictation that you have to satisfy India. and this is amazing that Pakistan has to satisfy India. on what score? Indians have failed to come up with evidence. and this one man that they’ve got, who knows that he is not a bogey? and that this man was loitering around somewhere, there are lots of Pakistani who cross the border, who cross around illegally or legally, and he could have been picked up and become the front man for all those stories. so one doesn’t really know, it’s too early to be threading war against Pakistan, because Pakistan is a nuclear country, and if they brandish their power, in a conventional power, I will assure you that as a soldier, I will say that a dimensional war, limited war, within the nuclear environment is not possible in the subcontinent. and if it comes to an exchange of nuclear weapons, then this becomes the third world war. china cannot stay out, Russia will not stay out, Russia is already showing its belligerence towards the America and European china of course is a very major economic power, they are a nuclear power, and if this kind of thing happens in their backyard, they will not accept it,. so this is a very dangerous situation. I think its playing with fire. so the whole thing could get out of hand. it is, again, as I told you, the part of the unfinished agenda, that the neurons had in their minds. And they think that Obama will now carry it out, even though the Americans wanted change. But let’s look at what change means, I mean, Obama has not clearly enunciated what change would be. but one can assume that change means focusing on domestic issues, there is an economic meltdown, the car industry is going sick, and many other things are happening inside America the social welfare and the Medicare infrastructure, so all these things, there is a need for the new admin, to focus entirely on the domestic issues, and for that they will have to disengage externally.”
30-32 minutes – global domination by us./ Zionists
“Yes indeed, you’re right. because, there is a whole theory, which us, military first put out by Mckinder, and then Mahan, who was an admiral in the us. navy. that this is the rim land, you have to first control the rim land of Asia, before you can strike in the heartland of Asia. so this heartland, rim land thing, I think it fits into the picture, that if they have a conflict in the rim land, and they can control it, and then it becomes so much easier to penetrate into the heartland. it is really asking so much when America is not really in a very healthy economic condition, so I think that this is brinkmanship of the highest order. and if they enlarge the area of conflict in this war against terrorism. and if they prolong the period of conflict, that America will definitely lose. because I know that when you are fighting the irregular fighters, then area of conflict is enlarged, let’s say it is extended into tribal area of Pakistan, of its pushed into Kashmir as well, so that china can be watched and monitored quite easily. then the area will become larger, and the us. simply does not have the troops. and there is not a moral cause strong enough for the American people to babe mobilized behind it. so it is shear madness to be thinking about this at such a time. “
32-36 minutes – meeting Osama,
“Well, I was actually in charge of occupation against the soviet occupation of Afghanistan and the Americans were providing the logistic support. and the Saudi’s were sharing 1/2 of the budget for this war. and it was a cheap war, because in all the 10 years we were fighting the Russians, we spent not more than 5 billion from American exchequer to have defeated the Russian and rid the whole of the west of the threat, managed that they used to call. so at that time, Osama bin laden, and his colleagues, they were admired and romanticized by cia operations,. I had never met him then. I had nothi8nhg to do with him. because I was busy training the afghans. we had to win a war, we had a task on our hands , it was a very big task. and we were so occupied with the training, only the afghans, no other national was trained by the isi, I can vouch on that, not a single person, not even , a Pakistani was trained by hem. Osama bin laden, I had never met him, but the these people used to come and talk glowingly about him. I met Osama bin laden after my retirement from the army. in 1993, December in fartoum, and then again, in 1994, November, when I was there and invited by azrabi, to an international conference, and then during that conference, Osama invited us into a banquet, and it was all in an open place, and there were many other people present. he struck me as a very normal human being. not a bloodthirsty animal that he’s presented to be by the CIA now. at that time, no conversation between him or =me took place. I don’t know if he’s living or dead. but so far, amand zowari has been giving, presenting him in various interviews of Osama that has been put out. so one doesn’t really know. but the last interview, which was the worst interview. in that, to the CIA and the other us intelligence agencies, authenticated that it was Osama’s voice. so one doesn’t’ really know
whether he’s living or dead. but even if he’s not living, he is now a symbol. al Qaeda is a franchise. whoever created that, and for whatever reason they created it, I think it wasn’t there until 1996 when he was launched in fartoum, later on he was invited by rabhani, who is now part of the northern alliance in Kabul, and he came over and set up his headquarters in a place called torah Bora in Jalalabad, but that’s where one started hearing of al Qaeda and the activities of Osama bin laden, and also that his commanders were responsible for bringing the Blackhawk down, in the famous operation in Mogadishu. where an American aircraft was brought down by a stinger, which was probably supplied in Afghanistan to support mujahedeen. “
37-38 minutes – fake Osama
“Yes there is no doubt about it that this video which was put out in November which was put out by George bush and said this was Osama bin laden, he was a high cheekbone like the mongoloid features, he wasn’t as tall as Osama was, and one could clearly make out that this was doctored, it had been created on purpose, just to justify the attack on Afghanistan. I think there are many things that are going wrong or being done at the behest of the CIA which are not correct. the CIA used to be good when they were working with us. I think it is their overarching ambition or fear that America will lose its clout. whatever the reason or it is perhaps that the Israelis fear that they are surrounded by a sea of hostile enemies who if the Americans don’t deliver fatal blow to all their enemies, then they will probably not exist. “
39 -40 min – state of Israel, belligerent Zionist/Neocon policies
“Yes indeed, and I think this 2006 sept experience if it is any indicator for them when they went into southern Lebanon, and they got such a buffering from Hezbollah I think that they’re not going to do such thing like that because it would mean annihilation of Israel, and in any case, the Palestinian question is a very poignant question, and I don’t know why the us admin is not addressing it diff. instead of two different states it should be one Abrahamic state of Palestine because all the 3 religions would claim that they are divine religion have their origin in Palestine and something new has to be though about. but unfortunately bush admin in its very abhorrent overages of its seniority, it turns out they will sort out this Palestinian issue by creating two states. after 8 years we have gotten nowhere at all. “
40- 42minutes – false terror
“Yes., I think they are simply afraid of me because I’ve worked with them, I understand them, I can mayor them up and I talk loudly about it, I mince no words, I pull no punches, and they are afraid I preempt whatever feelings they do. and I am loud voice, there is no doubt about it. and they are trying to frame me, there is no truth about it. if they had anything about me, when I applied for a renewal of my visa to America why did they not give it to me? because if they have something, they are looking around for terrorists hwy do this terrorist want to come over and visit America, nab me, interrogate me, take me to task, take me to court, do whatever you like. it only shows that they have something to hide. as far as bombings is concerned, it is their habit, is a very bad habit, they cultivate friends who become like Pervez Musharraf, dictators, and then they make use of them, and then they turn on them in condemnation because of their policies. And what was your last question?”
42- 44 minutes – west using false mujahedeen to try to overthrow Pakistan
“No, Benazhir was not killed by any of the terrorists. she was removed by Americans because she had violated her agreement, because they wanted to keep Pervez Musharaff there, and he’s left (unintelligible) in Pakistan. so she had become rebellious, and such a person who is a popular leader of third world country, head of the largest political party a woman who they could not attack as fundamentalist because she was so westernized so, therefore it was very important to remove her, because they had a mysterious plan they wanted to put through. so they have installed instead Mr. zarvari, who they can blackmail very easily, but have allowed him to keep the powers of a dictator, in fact he is the one calling all the shots in Pakistan. so all Pakistani is already destabilized politically. our judicial institution does not exist. because there is a judicial crisis. recently the dethroned chief justice of Pakistan—(interrupted)”
44-45 minutes – who’s staging the terrorist attacks in Pakistan and India?
“No, no, no, this is because landmassiff was attacked, and I think George bush addressed his nation on radio after that. said this was part of our plan in war against terrorism, because they were suspecting that Pakistani army and isi was not fully cooperating and because they did not consider that it was their war and therefore they created this situation where the terrorist out of sheer revenge, this is a tradition, it has nothing to do with Islam, it is (?), beholding to this tradition, long before they became Muslim, and they are still carrying it out. when you take action against a awhan, kill his daughter or his wife or his sister, he will take revenge no matter what happens. and he does not behave like a Muslim or any other entity, so this was a thing that was created, and of course Pakistan is in a very difficult position, we have a stable military institution which can control the situation, we have an isi, but the Americans are almost everywhere, attacking the isi, and attacking the military saying the this is not in the control of the political party, political power, but what is political power when parliament is signing the order, it does not work, it has no authority at all. “
46- minutes- was gen amud controlled by CIA? did he wire money to Muhammad Atta?
“Not at all, Mahmud is a friend of mine, I met him very recently in Lahore and he categorically denied this. I think this is all disinformation which has been adopted as a very sophisticated intelligence operation. “
46- minutes – terror attacks false flag in central Asia?
“This is reality, and they will retaliate. I can tell you that Afghanistan , in over 5,000 years nobody has won against them, and I think Americans cannot win, unless American intention is to stir up 3rd world war from this point. I think there is no point in staying in Afghanistan. you should negotiate with the opposition which is a national resistance now, it is no longer Taliban specific, it is afghan nation, true to their tradition, they are resisting ferociously
47 -minutes -west opium control
“Well he is a puppet of Kabul, and he will not stay very long, I can assure you, he’s already started showing signs of openness, he wants to reach out to the Taliban, but the Taliban will not even throw a crumb at him. I can assure you, the Taliban or any other resistance fighters, they will have nothing to do with him.”
48 min – Reuters exposes Taliban dominance in afghan
“I have no idea, but I think light has started coming out, like Robert kagans article in Washington post dec 2, it echoes the world at risk repot, it is similar. they are focusing on Pakistan, because nuke capability is unacceptable by Israel and India, and there is every possibility that Pakistan becomes a target. “
49 minutes – future possibilities
“No one is so stupid. we’ve been through the game. far leftist parties in India are very strong. India is slowly turning the world to its own problems. they signed India, feel good Indian, this is all make believe. propaganda. India is in a miserable state. economy is dwindling, 400 million living on less than $1 a day. this is beginning to have an effect because 108,000 farmers committed suffice, and this is not born out of 608 districts of India, 231 in turmoil, mostly under control of dictators. “
–End statements.
“Thank you sir. Oh, I don’t have a website, unfortunately, but I think you have a website, they can read my (statements there)” INFOWARS.COM!!!

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